Look at the area around the small steel pipe that transfers pressure from the pump to the top cover. Pressing or driving a common .3125 pin into the .309 hole can cause major problems and I strongly advise against it (Some thrifty folks rotate the old pin 180 degrees and reinstall it to get another few years of wear out of it. "@type": "InteractionCounter", If the lift wont raise at all, first make sure the pto is engaged and the pto shaft is turning as it should be. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. Identify My Tractor We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. Bending the control arm is a lazy man's fix for a worn cam follower pin. Ford 861 In draft mode, once you move it off the top stop, the touch control lever controls draft as you described. It also depends on how much weight you have on the front end. I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. Have a question about my 8N hydraulics. Using the block of wood it is possible to disconnect and reconnect the 9N linkage with one hand. The worst spot for that is the drain plug where the pump is. Dean It must be straight. Other than that I just dress the gravel drive a few times. Here are some suggestions to get you started fixing your tractor. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. Dec 17, 2013. rmissildine said: Hello all. Mar 12, 2013. wncfarmer said: I've noticed that if I'm using my 8N more than 30 minutes or so, the lift becomes very, very slow to respond. Thanks for te help. Condensation. Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. I just replied to another response to my post, with a pic and a question. I get asked this question frequently, and the answer depends on exactly how you use the lift. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Small leaks tend to get bigger, but you should be able to judge if your leaks are bad enough to have to remove the top cover and fix them. "width": 200, Please use the navigational links to explore our website. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. Dirt and other contaminants collect in the fluid and there is no filtration to remove them. Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? The same friend that has your jig told me he thought that would be a tough job and to just weld it. As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. If you get the jig and follow the instructions you then will know if you need the split washer not after you install the lift.. If someone has substituted bolts where there should be pins, replace them with the correct hardware. It's like a 10-30 multigrade motor oil thickness. Just give them a ring to get started. Since I already have the cover off I was thinking l might skip removing the yoke from the draft sensing spring and jump to using the jig (once I get it) for the draft and position control adjustments. Thanks for the suggestion. Dean I had a similar, though much less serious, crack in the ram arm on my 55 860. And the control rod must be perfectly straight. If a leak gets worse than a few drips, fix it. Thanks guys - this is exactly how it works. John Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. "datePublished": "2015-06-09", Slide the quadrant bracket toward the rear of the tractor (bolt holes are elongated). If after installed I need further adjustment I'll use the split washer trick. It appears you have just learned this to be true! Change it. Should the cam be smooth across its width? "interactionStatistic": { I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. Any comments would be welcome. 2009-10-02 166108. "height": 57 I couldn't even get the lift arm off of the end of the splined shaft. Should the cam be smooth across its width? I don't have a welder. The 'shade tree' adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. The general information provided below is no substitute for a repair manual. "image": { The most common cause of leakdown is worn lift cylinder piston rings. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. Look for places where the gaskets may have blown out. When I was plowing in the spring, when the arms were actually as low as it would go and the tractor would start to loose traction, a slight lift of the position lever would bring the plow up, but then I would have to push down on the draft control lever to get the plow to go higher. Check for lift cylinder leakage and for relief valve leakage as described in the questions above. The oil sump holds 5 gallons that is shared with the transmission and rear end of the tractor. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts youll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). Straightening and repairing the lift arms and other hardware is mostly just time and energy. We keep the brush down in the woods. Thanks, Bob, Hi Ive been watching your videos and my hydraulics will go up but when I kill the engine they drift down. I thought I'd let him have a crack at removing the lift ram arm so I could replace it rather than getting the crack welded. Flattened it no problem. No problems with cavitation for my live hydraulics external pumps. Thanks for te help. From the Operator's Manual: (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor as outlined in section 382, but do not install the inspection plate. And the control rod must be perfectly straight. Drain off some fluid to expose the top of the pump. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with this web site, nor is this site sponsored or endorsed by them in any way. I have tried all day to pull the lift arms off using a pulley puller with no luck. Have a fairly heavy weight or load on the lift arms. Luckily the tractor gets little work. Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! The Operator's manual says to change the fluid every 600 hours. Your email address will not be published. FORD 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 601 800 TRACTOR LIFT CONTROL LEVER 9N512A . May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. I do see it is bent as well. My Pa's 8N had those for both the lower stop and the upper stop. 2 - Did it freeze last night? The fluid we find in most of these tractors is often sadly neglected. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:47:01 06/09/15. I'll hold off on that and try without first. Should the cam be smooth across its width?". Dean Here is the pic. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. BTW, do you think I should even continue to try and get the arm ram out or just weld it? What do you think? My lift is very jerky and erratic when raising.. I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. Wrong? Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. With about 800 pounds on the lift arms, the front tires start to come off the ground. The N tractors originally had a piston with 3 cast iron rings to seal it. Water will drain past the threads of the drain plugs, oil will not. Happy New Year! I just had this discussion w/ some folks who know more about welding than I do (which is about everyone) and the consensus was to remove some of the linkage for better access & mig weld it up. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. This is easy to check just remove the side door and watch the oil move. Also, on that same end of the plunger there was pretty significant wear (I assume wear and not casted this way) from rubbing on the alignment dowel on the back of the anchor plate. I replaced the position control pin, and straightened the control arm. My guess is that someone used a pin that was too short & too hard. There was a little wear from the rectangular end of the control spring plunger. "@type": "ImageObject", I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. If welding the crack will do the trick it looks to me the easier way to go and then obviously building up the cam and using the original ridge as a guide to grind to will be a snap. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. Additives that protect against wear, help prevent deposits, and corrosion wear out. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. In cold climates the water can freeze and break the chambers in the pump. Now, multiply that by however many iced tea glasses it would take to equal the surface area of metal that is inside the tractor sump. Loosen the 4 bolts holding the quadrant control lever bracket to the top cover. Leakdown is probably the most common complaint with the N tractors, but its usually easy to fix. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. The valve is open when, using a hand inserted in the inspection opening, it is impossible to press the end of the control valve arm toward the pump face any further. I have copied the steps from my August 18, 1948 operators manual below. Wear them enough and you forget you have them on. How's this procedure Zane? I got in the habit of wearing safety glasses 100% of the time in my shop. However my problem on my 51 8n is the lift arms go all the way up and wont go down unless I let it set for several days. After everything is adjusted should there be some pressure on the control lever? He ships the jig with documentation that has helpful hints about things to check that the manual doesn't talk about that'd keep one from getting the proper adjustment. } (Long)", I don't have a welder. It is bent to the front which I would think would help me. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see If I could not add metal to build up the worn part of the cam I would install a longer pin and live with it . The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. The determining factor in which way to go is the condition of the cylinder bore. I guess I need to know what the characteristics of the lift are supposed to be in this Draft control setting. Did you find a way to fix this. Little heat and came off pretty easily. There is no way to explain why you were hugging your tractor with one arm in each inspection hole. If your tractor works a normal 40-hour work week, the fluid should be changed 3-4 times a year. Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. My guess is that someone used a pin that was too short & too hard. Then remove all three plugs, and let it drip into pans overnight. That adjustment would work on a lift that was prestine but it ain't! (gritting of the teeth) Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. You can determine if the leakage is coming from the lift cylinder by removing the right side cover (the one with the dipstick) and starting the tractor. Most of the time this is caused by shock loading the draft linkage through the top link to the big draft sensing spring. Water isn't flowing thru a damaged shifter boot into the sump. This is accomplished by tightening or loosening the nut on the end of the hydraulic touch control lever shaft (fig. Thank-you! JavaScript is disabled. 1 - Has it rained or been humid recently? Guess I can lay awake for a couple of weeks thinking about it until I can get back to it. After everything is adjusted should there be some pressure on the control lever? Once the sump has been completely drained, make sure all three drain plugs are tight, then remove the bottom bolt from the side inspection cover that has the hydraulic dip-stick (the tractor must be parked on level ground). The main reason we replace the fluid is the amount of water that eventually has mixed with it. Should the cam be smooth across its width? Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. A premium full-synthetic that says it "MEETS" NH-410B (M2C-134D) is going to be the most expensive option, but it is also going to be the best all-season fluid and lubricant. Check the pump pressure as outlined in the I&T FO-4 manual. NO, I do not want help improving my ranking on search engines. It appears you have just learned this to be true! Figured that out after I sent the last message. Officers and Directors }, In this case the NAA seal will work better, but only for a short time. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. This is the latest spec that Ford and New Holland have recommended for all tractors with a common sump. In any case, dont forget about fresh oil! The position control pin and the control arm were both bent. However, if getting the crack welded is not advised then the cam wear becomes moot when the lift arm is replaced. WRONG! Any improvement will help. Not sure if you saw the pic of the crack in my lift arm ram. If you have deep scratches and do not want to spend the money to replace the entire cylinder assembly you should use the cast iron rings and live with the small leakage. If the hydraulics drift down, that usually means the relief valve is squeaking by. I do see it is bent as well. Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. Bending the control arm is a lazy man's "fix" for a worn cam follower pin. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. The issue that I am having is with the lifting of an implement on the 3pt. My email address is provided for tractor questions. The V8-8N has a Howard step-down that provides a second range of gears approximately 1/3 the normal gear ratios. Drain the sump. There is only one filler cap located on top near the gear shift lever. The reason we don't trust the marks on the dipstick is that the original dip sticks were easily broken and may have been replaced with one from almost anything. The PTO shaft should spin when you release the clutch. My cam is not worn anywhere close to the pic that Bruce posted. It is critical. Remove those and the shaft pulls straight out the back. "width": 200, As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. Your email address will not be published. On 8N tractors the ball on the linkage rod just pulls right out of the socket as the top cover or pump are removed. } If you plan to flush it anyway, drain the plugs in any order you want. Any comments would be welcome. If you only have time to do one, do that one. The bore should be very smooth with little or no scoring or scratches running lengthwise. If those two things check out ok turn off the engine and remove the right side access cover (the one with the dipstick) and slide your hand down along the control rod into the oil and feel the end of the rod where it goes into the control valve pivot. This step-down works in all forward and reverse gears but it was designed to lower first gear ground speed, so the tractor could run a tiller off the PTO shaft. } Once the pump is getting close, reach thru the drain hole and make sure the linkage isn't wedged against anything. The most common problems with the 8N linkage are wear and bent linkage. To check these, leave the side cover off and start the tractor. Many times you will find that simply replacing the worn pin will take care of the problem without any further adjustments, but you have to completely reassemble the tractor to find out if you are lucky or not. Finally, I think I'll just get one of your jigs. The 9N-2N lift is much simpler with only one external adjustment. "@type": "ImageObject", Tractor Restoration | Tractor Clubs | Tractor Shows |Tractor Repair | Repair Videos. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . If the hydraulics either go all the way up or all the way down (with no control in the middle), the problem is likely with your pivot pins. A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. Can't remember if bent toward the front, back, or sideways. I enjoy answering those. My guess is that someone used a pin that was too short & too hard. Draining water as it collects in the sumps can help to extend the fluid change interval, but fluid does not last forever. "logo": { and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? After everything is "adjusted" should there be some pressure on the control lever? Almost left this one out. My pic is attached. It is critical. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? My lift drifts down when the pto stops.. I'm new to this forum stuff. Free shipping . Luckily the tractor gets little work. Is the something else I should change to get the valve to completely open? Flattened it no problem. I don't have a welder. To find this position, slightly loosen the four cap screws that support the quadrant. "@type": "InteractionCounter", "datePublished": "2001-10-31", Chances are, you will find that the valve pivot is stuck and not moving. https://www.steinertractor.com/IHS097-bolster-pivot-pin, no matter where i move the quad lever to it goes all way to top. }. Took the yoke off the draft sensing spring. That is not true for any of the ford tractors I have. Extending or neglecting to do fluid changes only guarantees that there will be problems. Where are they and what do they look like? Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. 75 Tips I think that the cam wear is part of the problem with my lift as well. It may not display this or other websites correctly. That left only a small amount to drain from the two big plugs. A short tutorial of hydraulic repair on a Ford 8N is available here. I can remove the cover and post a pic if it will help. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. Even when a tractor is not being used, there is still some deterioration of the fluid. Figured that out after I sent the last message. "@context":"https://schema.org", Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. I have watched you rebuild video twice and find it would be a great help if I needed to rebuild. I couldn't even get the lift arm off of the end of the splined shaft. The 3-point lift will pick up a lot more weight close to the tractor, than it will out on the end of a boom pole. This is listed as a 5/16 x 7/8 dowel pin but it is actually .309 diameter not 5/16 (.3125). Again, thank you for the help. Ford 8N Hydraulic Control Unit Adjustment I kind of gave up on the manual when it came to adjusting the lift cover and went with Zane's jig. Start filling the sump. Its generally not an immediate pressing problem. Free shipping for many products! Refer to section below regarding linkage. You obviously know a lot more about welding than I do. May have nothing to do with my issues but seems dumb to leave it like that. Before doing anything to the lift it should first be inspected for any internal leakage. An overhead hoist is a great help. Thanks. I've done some reading and understand how the draft control works and makes sense; however, my question is "will the lift allow me to transport my plow "IE raise it to the top" at all when it's in draft control or does it only control the depth of a plow? Be sure to have a good welder do it. Epoxy? Looking for some advise on an issue with Ford 800. Crack a drain plug and turn it out about half a turn. "description":"Discussion of Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. (6) Install the hydraulic unit on the tractor as outlined in section 382, but do not install the inspection plate. Terms and Privacy Policy, Shows and EventsF/FCA ShowsFeatured ShowsPrevious F/FCA Shows, ServiceMaintenance & RepairsOriginal AccessoriesSherman TransmissionsSpecifications & Data, Equipment RegistryEarly 9N by S/NRoad Maintainer Registry, Restorations150 80N Show Tractor47 8N Restoration8N Funk Conversions8N LawnmowerSOS LawnmowerSt Jude 8n ProjectWorthington Tractors. 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