He understood human nature. Kourtney Kellar is an American model, social media celebrity, influencer, media face, and Internet personality. I wouldn't spend time in a place that made me uncomfortable or I didn't like. And, like E WOODS: My partners. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. GROSS: My guests are Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods, the creators and hosts of the podcast Ear Hustle about life inside San Quentin Prison. And I believe, personally, that that will ease overcrowding because there are a lot of people in prison that deserve to be out. Our associate producer for digital media is Molly Seavy-Nesper. Nigel, I want to play an excerpt of an episode that you were very prominent in. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three . Earlonne Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. So I've technically only been free 20 years in my life, and, since I was 17, I've been free maybe three years all together. So to hear Governor Brown say that, it was like this is how we actually think. It was like a light switch. GROSS: Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, my guest will be writer Sigrid Nunez. Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence in November, and Woods regained his freedom after serving 21 years of his sentence. You know, at that particular moment, in that mindset - like today, am I OK with that? And Trevor, your brother, speaks first. And it's fine. Accuracy and availability may vary. If you're just joining us, my guests are Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor, the co-hosts and co-producers of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin Prison about their daily lives and their personal stories. Earlonne Woods is a popular American podcaster. [9], In a Rolling Stone article about the show, Tana Ganeva called it "a fascinating, harrowing and also deeply entertaining look into life on the inside that runs the full gamut of emotions. Earlonne Woods annual salary is $61,244 on average. But I always go over to the fantasy game guys, and I'll just sit there for a minute and try to see if I even come close to understanding what's going on on that table. POOR: So one of the things is that I really believe that people change. It's about a writer whose friend and former mentor kills himself. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that became inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. Once the details concerning Earlonne's marital status are available we shall update. He commuted my sentence to be released forthwith, immediately, right now, its time to go, time to walk out that gate, he added, laughing. So I want to ask you each to choose one thing that you would like to change in the system of - in the prison system or in mass incarceration. So, yeah. SHAPIRO: Nigel Poor told us that when Earlonne Woods came back POOR: He was walking with a lot of air in his step. Behind 'Ear Hustle,' The Podcast Made In Prison. It looked so good on you. I had to really work through it and think about it. California Gov. Vice President . Brown cited Woods' leadership in . HuffPost visited Woods at San Quentin earlier this year to discuss why he created the podcast. Presently, Earlonne has not mentioned any details concerning his parents. Ive been taking showers for like 20 years.. Why didn't you invite me (laughter)? How do you deal with family, love, depression, having children, finding meaning in life? And so when people listen to this story, that's what I want them to take away, that here's this person who is in a difficult situation. So I'm trying to like - I'm trying to partner with you here. His sentence was commuted yesterday. Or would you just as soon not know and just judge them based on what they present to you in their interactions with you? Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Author, Project Leader of CHOOSE1 Opinions are my own linktr.ee/Earlonnewoods Posts Reels Videos Tagged Show More Posts from earlonnewoods And I got out in '95. Yes, he can come to my house. Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor started the podcast Ear Hustle when Woods was a prisoner in San Quentin. And I'm always interested in people who kind of fade into the background a little bit because I suspect they could be the most interesting people in the room. And I'm playing this because it's about knowing where the line is when you're interviewing prisoners and sometimes to have to ask something that's going to make them uncomfortable. They had left the auntie's house. POOR: You can't blend into what the guys inside wear. POOR: That's his obsession. Williams was serving a 15-year sentence for armed robbery with a gun enhancement. SHAPIRO: Well, yesterday, California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne Woods' sentence. You end thinking, like, here's this guy who's very self-actualized. We'll be right back. And many people around me wasn't like that. He became affiliated with a local Crips gang in high school, and began selling marijuana at 14, and later sold cocaine. When Earlonne was in, I was probably in there 40-plus hours a week, and I'm not a masochist. China. Therefore, Earlonne has accumulated a decent fortune over the years. Poor, a professor of photography at CSU Sacramento, was volunteering with the Prison University Project at San Quentin State Prison when she met Woods, who was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence. [5] Woods role on the podcast was well-received, with Sarah Larson from The New Yorker describing him as an "immediately warm and likable presence",[10] while Eddie Harana from Rolling Stone praised the sense of humor he brought to the show. You're not really looking at the person. And so to me, that meant he was a very good observer. Ive been taking showers for like 20 years.. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. So we do stories about life inside prison. Nigel is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. You know, he calls me. WOODS: It's unrealistic, but I think about just getting out of San Quentin, jumping in the water and swimming to my yacht and going around the world. Trevor has done 14 years of a 36-year sentence. Tyler had missed a court appearance, so he feared that he would be locked up. And, you know, I pretty much raised - because my brother was locked up. Earlonne Woods educational background is unavailable. GROSS: Earlonne, how did you learn how to keep your calm and live in the kind of confined situation you were in during the more than two decades that you were incarcerated? Woods was serving a 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted 2nd degree robbery due to a three-strikes law before having his sentence commuted in 2018. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. At the time, your brother and your nephew's mother, Tyra, were living what you describe as a life of crime together. And I want to play what he said to you. I'm Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. [3], Woods completed his General Educational Development in prison, as well as vocational courses such as auto mechanics. GROSS: We talk about the podcast and before we talk about your work together, Earlonne, I want to talk with you about life outside. In 2016, it was selected by the Radiotopia network as the winner of its Podquest competition, and the following year released its first season. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life sentence for attempted armed robbery. You're sitting across from politicians. It was a private wedding ceremony, according to accounts. There's all these restrictions. And it's the way people would hope other people think that, hey, OK, I've done my time. Woods is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of PRXs Ear Hustle with Nigel Poor. GROSS: Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor are the co-creators, co-producers and co-hosts of the podcast Ear Hustle, which features interviews with men incarcerated in San Quentin. GROSS: Who - give us an example of somebody who you spoke to who had been a victim of a crime similar to the one that you committed that made you feel this, you know, sense of feeling bad for what you'd done. [9], On November 21, 2018, producer Earlonne Woods's sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. So even though I'm hearing stuff and then I'm talking to him, he playing - he downplaying it. This is what we work for because there comes a moment in every person in prison's life where the light switch go on. We can go to the gym and work out together. And y'all having these intimate conversations about, you know, why you went down this path or what it was like being a survivor, what it was like being this. E WOODS: And she even got mad at me the other day E WOODS: 'Cause I left dinner with everyone, and I went to the movies by myself to go see "Vice" (laughter). Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. And I was - yeah, I was definitely nervous. It instead offers the even more illuminating dialogue of individual prisoners. And you may be incarcerated 15, 20 years. You know, they playing with guns or whatever have you. I actually oddly enjoy being in there. POOR: Well, let me ask you this - do you feel like we're being unfair trying to make you do this? You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. GROSS: That's the sound of the San Quentin prison door slamming as my guest Earlonne Woods was released in late November after being incarcerated there for seven years. We called up Nigel Poor today to ask her about it, and she said that when they got the news yesterday, they were in the middle of making an episode. And that's pretty much what I did. "[15], The New Yorker's Sarah Larson said the show "might be the best new podcast Ive heard this year" and described it as being "about the creativity required to live a satisfying lifeor even a sane lifein prison, and is itself a product of that creativity. Earlonne is Shala Woods brother. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded millions of times, featured in media outlets from NPR to The New York Times, and made several best of podcast rankings. ERIN: I don't - I don't know. I went in and ended up in a security housing unit a couple of times for lengthy stays and just continued my pretty much destructive behavior all the way out. He's been behind bars for more than 20 years. Earlonne Woods is co-creator, co-producer and co-host of Ear Hustle from Radiotopia. She co-created the podcast with Woods and has co-hosted and co-produced it with him. For Walter "Earlonne" Woods, the path to freedom was podcasting. Im thinking about my mama, shes 70. Shes holding on. And a chase pursued. He is also involved in the Repeal California's Three Strike Coalition, which aims to end California . POOR: Oh, plus, I - we get to see each other in all different color clothing because POOR: In prison, Earlonne always had to wear blue. All rights reserved. And you have another 11 to go. For the first few months after Earlonne Woods was released from San Quentin in November, his "Ear Hustle" podcast co-host Nigel Poor kept receiving photos of ice cream on her phone. In November 2018, Woods' sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. And Nigel is also a professor of photography at California State University. ERIN: Oh, [expletive]. "Ear Hustle" the phrase is slang for eavesdropping is a collaboration between Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both prisoners at San Quentin, and Nigel Poor, a Bay Area visual artist who teaches photography classes at the prison. Those are my partners. E WOODS: I like my colors bright these days. It's something. ARI. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. You're sitting across from law enforcement. [14] In an interview with Rolling Stone, Poor said the show is "about everyday life inside a prison. GROSS: And you basically just described your own situation when you were incarcerated because you got 31 to life for attempted second-degree robbery. And then I saw him in this awesome, orange T-shirt that had some brown in it. And it's all that some of the people that you choose to associate with do, you know? You have to wear the same clothes all the time. Earlonne Woods was released from San Quentin in November after his sentence was commuted by Governor Jerry Brown. (SOUNDBITE OF NOEL BONNEVIE'S "DAHIL SA'YO"). And, Earlonne, since you served so much time, let's start with you. I've spent a total of 27 years in prison. Woods is expected to be released on parole in the coming days, after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. So I think I understand more the complexity and the pressures and inside I get to see men relating in very heartfelt ways. It was a restorative justice group. You were OK with that? [11], By September 2021, Ear Hustle episodes had been downloaded over 54 million times. Brown cited Woods'. He received a sentence of 31-years-to-life. Earlonne Woods, Nigel Poor, welcome to FRESH AIR. But you may have the African-Americans who go to prison and they're at certain places and you don't get that question. Like, what was all this for? I'm not doing this. Woods was convicted of attempted second-degree robbery but because of the three-strikes law was sentenced to 31 years to life, most of which was served in prisons other than San Quentin. Like, all of a sudden, you know POOR: We'll be like regular colleagues. POOR: So we were in the media lab working and - you know, trying to work, trying to stay concentrated. Trevor was wanted and was on the run. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). And when the men started filing into my class, I was like, oh, what have I done? They eventually met this person. ERIN: No, I don't feel you're being unfair at all, and I don't ultimately know what my hesitancy is. Earlonne, I want to ask you about the final podcast you recorded in San Quentin, which was largely about your older brother, Trevor, and your nephew, Tyler. He spin his vinyl. "[9] She also praised its originality, "[using] prisoners' storytelling skills to show what it's like to spend decades behind bars. Like, me personally, what I took away from a lot of things is that, yeah, I may have robbed a person for, let's say, $1. GROSS: So Tyler's father, your brother, is still in San Quentin during the final year that you were in San Quentin. But if we could just talk about it and come to some understanding about what's our responsibility, what's your responsibility? Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. WOODSON: They told me that my son was murdered - well, killed. I pretty much raised Tyler from '95 to '97, when I got arrested. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. [5][6], The show is produced by Earlonne Woods, Rahsaan "New York" Thomas, and Nigel Poor. Woods is expected to be released on parole in the coming days, after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. And so I found out what you're in prison for. In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. So you're interviewing a prisoner who - he and one of the volunteers fell in love, and so she stopped working there in any capacity, and they got married. POOR: Well, he wasn't necessarily a good talker because he was very quiet. But I took way more from that person than $1. But I'd say a lot of people, particularly in law enforcement, want to look at the crime only, and that's really the big debate. [12][13][14] Since his commutation, Woods has become involved in campaigns to repeal California's three strikes laws. Self's story opens the first episode of Ear Hustle, an engrossing new podcast out of San Quentin prison, a state facility in California. But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. FRESH AIR's executive producer is Danny Miller. An intimate view into the life and challenges of an asperger's spouse.It seems some marriages are so wonderfully stellar you have to look away or be blinded. Nigel first started going to San Quentin as a volunteer teaching photography. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. Don't be - whatever you do, don't play with no guns. GROSS: So something I found really interesting is that the group that is multicultural and not segregated by race or ethnicity is the group that's into, like - the nerds, the group that are into, like, sci-fi fantasy and stuff like that. GROSS: Yeah. E WOODS: So I'll give you example. We'll be right back. , after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. POOR: I'm so glad you asked about this. We know because they did a whole episode on getting parole. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College and completed many vocational trade programs. Woods helped create Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. But of course when someone's in prison and the other person's not, there's so many things you can't do. But the things that you do in your past do add dimension to who you are in this moment. Ear Hustle is a non-fiction podcast about prison life and life after incarceration created by Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both formerly incarcerated, and Nigel Poor, an artist who volunteers at San Quentin State Prison. You're more looking at what you're getting out of the situation. POOR: Well, I would like to see more programs created that allow people inside and outside to work together as colleagues. [9][7] Ear Hustle was the first podcast entirely recorded and produced inside a prison. Redmond O'Neal is a voice actor, Hollywood celebrity, and Star Kid from the United States. Nigel Poor is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. He is a staff writer and podcast producer at KQED, as well as a graduate of UC Berkeley's School of Journalism. While incarcerated at California State Prison, Centinela, Woods saw a documentary about the film school at San Quentin State Prison, and applied to transfer to that prison. Along with Nigel Poor, he is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX. [1][2] Since his release, Woods has continued to co-host the podcast with Poor from outside prison, with Poor recording some parts in San Quentin with new co-host Rahsaan "New York" Thomas. And so that's the point that I'm struck by - that human beings in a moment can do something with devastating consequences. Earlonnes estimated net worth is $657,586. GROSS: Well, why don't we take a short break here, and then we'll talk some more? You're able to go POOR: We're able to go out. He says, I need to speak with you. That stuff carries 17 years. And E WOODS: And of course I enjoy all the little moments. (SOUNDBITE OF STEFANO BOLLANI AND JESPER BODILSEN AND MORTEN LUND AND MARK TURNER AND BILL FRISELL'S "ALOBAR E KUDRA"). But we knew that, you know, it's traditional for the governor to do these commutations right before Thanksgiving. I don't know. I think my mother told me she loved Jesus more than she loved me. I'm Terry Gross. And it would give the people inside the opportunity to stretch themselves intellectually and emotionally, so just creating more of a connection. He was sentenced to 31 years to life for attempted robbery in 1999. So they don't even have the opportunity to even go in front of the board to say, hey, look, for the last 21 years, I've changed, you know, because their board dates ain't till 2150, you know? Here you guys are, poking and - poking and prodding. I was on some - I would like to say other words, but I'm holding my (laughter) E WOODS: (Laughter) I'm on the radio. GROSS: That was Governor Jerry Brown interviewed by my guests Earlonne Woods and Nigel Poor. No. Earlonne became busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. "[9] The show's unique lens and intimate first-person storytelling is noted in most reviews. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). And the captain comes in. A person can get certain - a certain amount of time for the crime that they commit. Before creating the podcast, Woods and Poor did interviews with inmates in San Quentin for public radio station KALW in San Francisco. And then Trevor was arrested when their son, Tyler, was 10. Earlonne was not only one of the co-hosts, he was one of the men incarcerated until his release in late November after California Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence. I'm on a podcast. When I called my mother, she told me this, right? Usually, you can't go back into a correctional facility on parole. Also Read: Earlonne Woods, . I think it's about probably 20 people from there that call me collect. My first prison term, I went to jail when I was 17. It was so kick-back and cool, meaning I take advantage of all these moments now. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three Strikes Law, the statute under . And your brother is still in San Quentin. Why am I doing this? Ear Hustle was selected from 1,537 submissions, securing the funding for a 10-episode first season. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. Aaron Taylor. Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. And the phone rang in the media lab. E WOODS: It was devastating because I had - one, I had just talked to Tyler, like, probably the day before. I was a clerk. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . And then the question is, well, what do we do about that? Earlonnes net worth is estimated to be $657,586. Earlonne Woods co-hosted the podcast Ear Hustle while incarcerated at San Quentin State Prison. "[16] Quah contrasts standard prison narratives told entirely from an outsider's point of view with the interplay of insider and outsider perspectives provided by the hosts of Ear Hustle, with stories primarily told through Woods' and Williams' words and perspectives, and Poor in an active role adding "key narrative housekeeping". We're able to share food. He was hired to continue co-hosting and producing the podcast after his release. They grow up literally., In Browns letter announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime., He has set a positive example, Brown wrote. And they shot at Tyler, like, 40-something times. In some ways, like, I find it hard to understand that somebody, like, wouldn't have any empathy for the victim and wouldn't care. I find it invigorating. [1][10] As of Season 4, Woods continues to make the podcast from outside prison, while Rahsaan "New York" Thomas was announced as a new co-host for recordings done inside San Quentin. I'll say I've - on the second term - so the first term is where I did all the solitary stuff. He is 49 years old. Earlonne resides in the United States. It received 1,537 entries from 53 countries. And it really wasn't until I got into the healing circle that I understood what it was like to be a survivor of crime because in these circles, you're sitting across from crime victims. Earlonne is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). You know what I mean? [4] Its first season began on June 14, 2017. It destroys hope, and it violates the principle that redemption is at the essence of what it is to be human. POOR: And the other thing is we've always - we've tried to always keep this as equal as possible. And on their way back to the auntie's house, they were pulled over by Long Beach Police Department - two officers. California Gov. TYRA WOODSON: And he began acting out. Earlonne, congratulations on life outside of prison. In November 2018, Woods' sentence was commuted by California governor Jerry Brown. Not at all. So prison was more like, oh, hey, this is a place to go and continue your gang activity, continue your destructive behavior. Earlonne Woods prefers to keep his personal life private, so he has not disclosed any information about his marital status. I'm not doing this. Then there are those marriages that become the subjects of books . I don't know if it's a lake. I have all the different people that I talk to as I work my way down to the media lab. When he was 15, he committed his first robbery alongside his brother, who had transitioned from selling drugs to robbing drug dealers. I told him that constantly. I took their security from them to even walk out the house and feel safe, you know? We can go to a restaurant. And when I went to prison, it was pretty much the California Department of Corrections, and there was not a rehabilitation on the name then. GROSS: Earlonne, what's the custom among men in San Quentin? Once the details concerning Earlonnes marital status are available we shall update. You know, they get to see each other in passing. So I still had a 17-year-old mentality. Copyright 2019 NPR. 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